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Murmel · Jul 29, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

n1 spelling wrong in the topic lulz

But seriously, yeah some max titles should be account wide.

Dr.Jones · Jul 29, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Johny bravo

While you at it can all the areas you unlock be account wide too? I don't think I should have to beat all the campaigns on every character to get access to all the areas. And skill I mean if I unlock them on one character they should be unlocked on all my characters so I don't have to pay to get them again, like heroes. Also I have 2 accounts so its not fair that I grind the titles out on one character and both my accounts don't get credit.

Again you seem to be missing the point. Titles were created to set goals for characters that have already done everything. Stop trying to dumb everything down.

your missing the point the objective is to get certain titles to be maxed for all your ch on your account, only when you max it. i kind of agree that not all the titles should go like this but some of them should.

Yawgmoth · Jul 30, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

I mostly agree, this thread gets a

/signed

but I think the basic idea needs many improvements.

It's not as simple as changing everything into account-based - Different titles should be looked upon separately and treated differently!

The most important is the Max'ed Titles (Kind of a Big Deal) title track.
It should count *unique* titles max'ed on the entire account.

This title should be The way to show YOUR achievements aggregated, not extreme dedication to just 1 character.
There's nothing wrong with allowing displaying this title on any character, it's pure vanity, no extra effect, so it wouldn't hurt if a lvl1 char in Pre or a PvP char had a Smelly Guildhall(5). But most importantly you earned it, you put the same effort as someone who did all titles on one char.

Most of the other titles should remain character-based themselves! (exceptions listed below)
So a character who never drinked shouldn't be able to display Incorrigible Ale Hound, a level 3 that just entered Kamadan shouldn't be a Legendary Sunspear, a char who has never seen an Asura shouldn't be considered Not Too Shabby, a character that died early shouldn't run around showing Legendary Survivor (giving a chance to old characters who never had it is a different issue),
but,
if you max'ed those titles on different characters each of them should do a +1 to the KaoBD track displayable on all characters on your account.

But wait, there's more, there's some bad design and some repetetive grind to be fixed:

A high priority issue is Treasure Hunter, which should be changed into acc-based from the very beginning - you should be able to contribute to this title no matter which char you play, so the chests you open on different chars don't feel like a waste. (and there's no reason not to change Wisdom in the same way while at it, although it's not that important by itself)

Now there are the reputation titles...
My suggestion for improving the SS/LB/Norn/Asura/Dwarf/Ebon titles without making them entirely account based is:
If you have max'ed one of those titles on a character, your other characters that are level 20 gain 4x more points for that title from all sources (including books and quest rewards). And maybe even more: If you've finished the appropriate game storyline (NF/EotN) the gain rate for that title could be x8 instead!
x8 is a MASSIVE difference, even the most whiny whiners shouldn't complain about any grind then.

Shayne Hawke · Jul 30, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

More titles should be account based, or should have ways to lessen the burden on future characters if the title is maxed, or high enough, etc.

The maxed title track should not be account based. It does not affect gameplay, so it's not necessary in any way that you have that title, nor will it benefit you for having it.

/notsigned

Lady Raenef · Jul 30, 2008, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Are you all Korean? I'm half-korean, and even I hate grinding.

Anything to reduce grinding gets my /sign.

inscribed · Jul 30, 2008, 08:19 AM // 08:19

/signed.

this idea doesn't make it 'easier' to get KOABD, you are still doing the same amount of grinding. just because you spread the grind between multiple characters instead of one doesn't mean you did any less grinding.

Lycan Nibbler · Jul 30, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

Anything to reduce grinding gets my /sign.

Maybe they should give you the game already completed too.../facepalm

/not signed

If you dont want to put the effort in to get a title then fine, but dont QQ that you dont have it.

I have maxed SS and LB on several chars, its pretty easy to do one char completely on a special weekend (I usually get 2 done) so please dont say its hard.

Yes, I have GWAMM and am working on KoaBD on other chars, making titles account wide would yet again be anet sticking (1 or 2) fingers up at the people who made the effort.

Horus · Jul 30, 2008, 09:22 AM // 09:22

this way Anet would kill 2 "problems" with one move - chars who were made before titles will have a chance to get LS title and ppl will finally be able to enjoy playing more than one char, since they will all have shared titles. Why does it matter if you have GWAMM on 1 char or on 5? It takes same ammount of effort in both cases - just because you do something on different chars it doesn't mean you had to explore less of Tyria and capped less skills.

/signed

spyke136 · Jul 30, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

this doesnt make GWAMM easier...

honestly are people on here getting dumber or just choosing to not use logic.

letting titles be account wide means you have the freedom to do the titles on ANY character. you still have to max 30 titles. and since HoM is(will eventually) account wide anyway it only makes sense that your whole account should be a GWAMM.

stop being stupid people.

SIGNED. A thousand times over.

upier · Jul 30, 2008, 09:31 AM // 09:31

That would be insanely sweet!
Less grind is good!

/signed

isildorbiafra · Jul 30, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44

Not signed/ just like the person that does not delete his character, but has been playing the game just as long as i have, gets a mini; but i dont, cause i recreated my character several times.

Point is choosing to invest all my time in the development of a single character and therefore loosing out on playing different professions should count for something!

Besides maxing some titles is easier depending on what profession you choose. Try doing carthographer with a warrior.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

isildorbiafra · Jul 30, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18

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Originally Posted by inscribed

/signed.

this idea doesn't make it 'easier' to get KOABD, you are still doing the same amount of grinding. just because you spread the grind between multiple characters instead of one doesn't mean you did any less grinding.

Your wrong try doing carthographer on an warrior.....zzzzzzzzz. It takes twice as long than on an ele or a sin! Try to vanquish with a mesmer instead of an ele or a warrior.....ouch!

the_jos · Jul 30, 2008, 11:16 AM // 11:16

I'm not too worried about max KoaBD, it still requires a large amount of grind.
However, I think there should be a split between character achievements and account achievements, like there is now.

In my opinion the vanquishing titles and protector-like titles are typical character achievements. The same with carto.
However, I would not mind if A-net changed those somewhat.
Let's say if you have the Guardian title on a character you can skip one mission on the next character and still be able to have it count to KoaBD.

Carto? Make it count at let's say 90 or even 95% if one has the cartographer title at another character. It's the small bit above that that's really troublesome, specially without texmod.
SS, LB and the EotN titles? Make additional characters get the titles count and benefits at half of the original required points.
So max SS skill-benefit wise at 25K, maxing the EotN titles would still require 80K points.
Remember, I'm only talking about the benefits of those titles and their count to the KoaBD track for 'secondary characters'. If one wants the full title and wear it, grind it!
People should invest if they want a certain title, not get it for free.

The titles that I think should be account based are things like drunk, party and sweet. Probably treasure and wisdom. I take lockpicks on only one character because I just cannot afford the treasure title on several characters. I do my ID's on the same character, don't mind doing that but I'm not sure if that's the best. I would rather have those in one 'pool' even if it's raised from 10K to 15K.

But I think there is more to be said.
I have some guildies who are working on one character only.
But also several others who had no problem getting 25 maxed titles on several characters.
So while it requires a lot of grind it's possible, I'm probably more online than those players but just don't care that much about titles.

Cebe · Jul 30, 2008, 11:29 AM // 11:29

I honestly don't see why a new thread needed to be created to discuss this, but since there is a large amount of discussion I'll just merge with an existing thread.

Johny bravo · Jul 30, 2008, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

your missing the point the objective is to get certain titles to be maxed for all your ch on your account, only when you max it. i kind of agree that not all the titles should go like this but some of them should.

I am not missing the point, you are missing mine. Take the wisdom title, in theory as you ID an item you become more knowledgable (this is a stretch). How should this apply to all you characters then? Same with treasure hunting. I realize that the chest spawns are basically the same but the idea is that the more chest unlocked by this toon the more treasure hunting he has done.

As for the other people saying well this doesn't make the GWAMM title easier to get, take your heads out of you A#$ and think about it. If titles become account wide it will become relativly easy to get GWAMM on multiple characters. Even if we stick to the one listed in the OP if you get GWAMM on one character you will most likely have around 9-10 titles to start with on all others. so basically all you need to do is the skill hunter, cartography (both can be done while vanquishing) and guardian title tracks to get 29 titles, MotN 30 (use lucky and you can drop MotN). While the first title would still take a lot of effort multiple titles would be simply a look at what I got. It would take the holy S$^% away when I see someone with a maxxed Treasure hunter title (there can't be that many out there either).

As you can see I am opposed to this, even though if we did get it I would be R2 on all my characters. Maxxed KoaBD is a grind title and should stay that way. What come next - 10 million faction is just really to hard to get accross all my characters we need to make it so you get more factoin from AB. Plus I was in a kurzick guild and now I am in a Luxon guild, can we just combine the faction so they can count together.

Marverick · Jul 30, 2008, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

Maybe they should give you the game already completed too.../facepalm

/not signed

If you dont want to put the effort in to get a title then fine, but dont QQ that you dont have it.

I have maxed SS and LB on several chars, its pretty easy to do one char completely on a special weekend (I usually get 2 done) so please dont say its hard.

Yes, I have GWAMM and am working on KoaBD on other chars, making titles account wide would yet again be anet sticking (1 or 2) fingers up at the people who made the effort.

If you've already gotten GWAMM and are trying to get it on other characters... maybe you ought to just put down the computer and go out and enjoy life?

MithranArkanere · Jul 30, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Johny bravo

I am not missing the point, you are missing mine. Take the wisdom title, in theory as you ID an item you become more knowledgable (this is a stretch). How should this apply to all you characters then? Same with treasure hunting. I realize that the chest spawns are basically the same but the idea is that the more chest unlocked by this toon the more treasure hunting he has done.

As for the other people saying well this doesn't make the GWAMM title easier to get, take your heads out of you A#$ and think about it. If titles become account wide it will become relativly easy to get GWAMM on multiple characters. Even if we stick to the one listed in the OP if you get GWAMM on one character you will most likely have around 9-10 titles to start with on all others. so basically all you need to do is the skill hunter, cartography (both can be done while vanquishing) and guardian title tracks to get 29 titles, MotN 30 (use lucky and you can drop MotN). While the first title would still take a lot of effort multiple titles would be simply a look at what I got. It would take the holy S$^% away when I see someone with a maxxed Treasure hunter title (there can't be that many out there either).

As you can see I am opposed to this, even though if we did get it I would be R2 on all my characters. Maxxed KoaBD is a grind title and should stay that way. What come next - 10 million faction is just really to hard to get accross all my characters we need to make it so you get more factoin from AB. Plus I was in a kurzick guild and now I am in a Luxon guild, can we just combine the faction so they can count together.

I already gave plenty of solutions to that. One of them, for example, would be to make two tabs in the Hero panel, one for Account titles and one for character titles:
- PvP titles: Appear only in the Account tab.
- PvE achievement titles: Appear only in the character tab. (Protector, Skill hunter, vanquisher, etc)
- PvE grind titles: Appear in both tabs.
* Each character has its own rank in the character tab.
* One a character gets at least rank 1, the highest rank of the account appear in the account tab.
* Until a character maxes the title, the highest rank of the account appears in the account panel.
* After one character maxes the title, the sum of all titles appear in the account panel.
* The personal rank of the character stays in the character tab.
* For Plot checkings and the GWAMM title, the character rank is used.
* For Skills attributes and the HoM, the account rank is used.

See? Easy, no level 1 GWAMM and no easy-go though the plot, but grind vanished.

Lawliet Kira · Jul 30, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

hmmmm lemme think YES PLEASE

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Kinn · Jul 30, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

its pretty clear to me that for certain titles, there needs to be a way to accelerate the points accumulation for other characters, once you've acheived the title for one already.

For example it would make no sense for a new character to start with r10 Norn, but I see nothing wrong with that character having a certain multiplier on their Norn points accumulation, after another character has already maxed Norn. The multiplier could even increase as more characters on the account max that title.

Call it the "friends in high places" mechanic, if you want

Lishy · Jul 30, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Well, according to the lore of guild wars, besides all the useless henchmen and 1337 heroes, isn't your group of characters the same group of heroes who saved Tyria , Cantha, and Elona?
I mean, in GW 2, won't HoM acknowledge all your characters since HoM is account based?
It makes sense.
/SIGNED OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAND TIMES

Seriously, what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO is taking ANET so damned long? =/